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slennox · Owner Joined: 22 Sep 2001 Posts: 593

What would the regulars here think about restricting the shells forum to help and discussion on shell account usage? I'm not sure that endorsements or criticism of specific providers helps anyone given there is always a number of providers prepared to engage in amateur astroturfing (i.e. posing as ordinary users to endorse themselves or criticise competitors). And increasingly, this forum seems to be becoming a place for providers and their customers to air their dirty laundry Sad

Perhaps a seperate closed forum, available only to users who've made a certain amount of posts and/or been registered for a certain length of time, would improve the quality of discussion and reduce the number of sock puppets.

Alchera · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:30 am Post subject:

Sounds like a perfect solution to me. Smile

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Moonster · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject:

Slennox they can use my forums for provider ads and so forth if they like Smile

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caesar · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:09 am Post subject:

That shure will be nice. Lately some people have specialy created an account here just do advert their own shell. An seperate closed forum should keep them (or at least reduce their number) wash their dirty laundry with comments and bad remarks at competitors or at the shells firms that closed their account for breaking their TOS.
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egghead · Master Joined: 29 Oct 2001 Posts: 481

Some sort of restriction may be possible.

But the number of posts and topics in the shells section is rather low compared to the tcl scripts section and the eggdrop section.

And so far many of the shell providers posting here only have served themselves in a bad way...

... and gave me a good laugh now and then Smile

slennox · Owner Joined: 22 Sep 2001 Posts: 593

It's settled then. Looks like it requires a phpbb mod, so I'll create the separate forum on the weekend. It'll be available to halfops (40 posts) and above.

egghead, I agree that the existing shells forum will become pretty quiet, but in the end I think quality is more important than quantity Smile

Moonster · Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject:

It doesnt require a Mod .....

You can do permissions settings on a private forum for specific user classifications
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}eXtreme{ · Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:32 pm Post subject:

But from other side...

caesar · Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:

Against "freedom of speech" huh? Be serious.
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egghead · Master Joined: 29 Oct 2001 Posts: 481

}eXtreme{ · Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:04 am Post subject:

caesar: I pharaphrased (and I know that it sound funny on certain way but you probably get my point)
egghead: You are right in a certain way
All: I need to fill that damn quote so I wrote "nonsense" ;-) or maybe not?
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slennox · Owner Joined: 22 Sep 2001 Posts: 593

I'm sure many of us have seen the scenario played out on other forums: admin thinks things are becoming a bit too rowdy and imposes new restrictions, some users applaud while others cry "freedom of speech". I don't want to thrash out all the issues, otherwise I won't get time to update the Tcl Archive Confused

But the crux of it is that, while you can get away with quite a bit and a "spirit" of freedom of speech does exist on most forums, underlying this is the fact that participation in pretty much every forum is not a right, but a privilege. As an ordinary user participating in several other forums, this is a fact I occasionally have had to wrestle with over the years, and I'm sure others have. There's Moonster's forum if you don't think this one gets the balance right; if only he'd give us the URL Smile

}eXtreme{ · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:25 am Post subject:

I believe that every constructive oposition is always good thing to make things even better. And don't understand me wrong. I like those sites and that discussion forum which is really good work and it helps to many many people. But what would life be if everyone agree about everything. People don't have same opinion and some criticism could be good for improvements if you could take it.
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rabb1d · Halfop Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 45

there is also a forum called shellhostingtalk
www.shellhostingtalk.com

If people are to post bad things about providers anywhere for what ever reason I think there should be two posts and thats it. The complaint, and the defense and that should be enough to lock the thread. One statement from each side. If it is continued over into another or a new thread, then both people should be banned for 30 days on first occurance 90 days second 120 third and perm after that. Just my opinion though. Where there is silly haggling that method would prevent a lot of unwanted b.s.

just my $0.02 worth

}eXtreme{ · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:16 pm Post subject:

rabb1d read this, not so rare potential situation, please:

1 post. USER: Be careful that XXX shell provider is more down than up and they don't replay on my posts, they ignore me, they don't want to refound me money no matter that they wrote on their site that they will if customer won't be satisfyed...
2 post. SHELL PROVIDER: Don't trust him, he is liar and very very bad user... we run great server, and best support...
3 post. USER: Hundreds complains from all other users can't be lie... Here I have proof...

FORUM MODERATOR: "user" is banned from here because he don't have right to show proof and replay on accusation that he's a liar... and shell provider have right to have last word...

So, rabb1d is this really good idea? Need other example? What if things look something like:

1 post. rabb1d: I am really satisfyed with XXX server... because they are so great...
2 post USER: You're paid by shell provider to wrote how good service he have. Or even more - you are shell provider who use more nicks here... They suxxx.
1 post. rabb1d: That's not true. I am not shell provider and nobody didn`t bought me. You could found me on #xxx...@efnet where everyone know me and you will see that I dont lie. Simple join, know me better and you will see that I don't have the reason for lie...

FORUM MODERATOR: "rabb1d" is banned from here because he don't have right to show proof and replay on accusation that he's a liar...

Btw. rabb1d don't understand me wrong, I dont have nothing against you Wink

I just wanna show you why "ban on second post" maybe isn't that good idea as you thought.
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